Monday, January 26, 2009

God Made Meets Man Made, The Sequel

A title I have used before in an earlier post, 10 Hanna Montana/Miley Cyrus 3D glasses to the first person who comments when I used it last, hint, "Sunsets". Thanks to these wacky cold -40c temps I was able to get some more cool pics of Sunrises/Sunsets. This time the Sun set perfectly behind a High Voltage Tower, how cool was that?

Flat Sunrise

Do you know that in one second the Sun produces an equivalent of a million years of Earth's energy? Problem being the Sun is 92 million miles from us and only a billionth of it's energy reaches us, and out of that billionth, we only utilize a millionth, in other words we only utilize one million billionth of the Sun's energy. Don't be so sad, they figure in around 3,200 years when we attain a Class II civilization we will have harnessed the Sun's output by using something like a Dyson sphere.

Red Flash

I have always been fascinated with the types of civilizations Humankind has to look forward to;

Type 0: Where we are now, not necessarily good for nothing, just not good as Type I.

Type I: This is where we control all the planets resources, energy output will be 1,000's of times the output we have now, can control things like the weather, earthquakes, volcanoes and build cities on oceans, time frame 200 years.

Type II: This is where we harness the power of our star the Sun, probably using something like a Dyson Sphere, time frame 3,200 years.

Type III: They are able to explore the Galaxy, have broken the light barrier, yes I believe it is possible, the physics we know now say it isn't, but hey, we are after all a class 0 civilization, what do we know? Compare this Civilization to the Borg, time frame 5,800 years.

Green Flash

All the stuff about types of civilizations and time frames is purely hypothetical
and could change depending whether or not we kill ourselves off and how fast we get stuff like the LHC up and running and benefit from what we learn from them.

I'll leave you now with an animation of a Sunrise with a solar pillar I took the other day.


MJ said...

My friend .... january 26, 2008 ring eclipse month in indonesian. this my post

Stephen Cochrane said...

Dang, I really wanted those 3d glasses. Miley's the best. Oh well, maybe next time I'll be able to find it and be the first one to do so. Great pictures. Keep up the good work.

Genie said...

Incredible sunset/sunrise shots, Bob. Incredible! And a poignant reminder in your blog of just how uncivilized we really are. We have so far to go, so much we could do, if we can just survive long enough! And if we can just produce a few more great minds like your own.

Ever watch Idiocracy? You might enjoy that.

Moonshadow said...

I visited your new posts but have been so busy that I've been too tired to comment. Have you been to my blog lately, I've got a different type of star on my, check out video of the little girl throwing the midcourt shot. I call that a star. If you haven't visited in a while then you probably missed my January perigee moon shot and firey sunset.

I read recently that certain scientist have decreed that we've learned all that we can possibly learn, there's nothing new to be discovered that is of importance. I thought, how dumb is that? Every time in history when man has thought he's learned all there is to know, someone discovers something to prove them wrong. And as long as we're still imagining things that do not yet exist, we haven't discovered it all yet. If you can conceive of it in your mind, then it can be. : )

Brian Steele said...

Bob, I thought I was done graduating. Now I learn that I need to graduate from Class 0 to Class I? Drat. Better hit the books!

I really just need to know when "they" think our civilization will completely master the coffee supply so that Starbucks is free! Maybe coffee supply should be put ahead of energy supply, then the former endeavor will greatly accelerate the latter...

John Ray said...

thanks for the information about our sun..i really liked's such an inspiring view.

Brian Steele said...

Bob, this might have already been done before but if not, I'm going to use the acronym "LTP" for "love the photos!!!!!!!!!!"

And even though it is boiled down, reduced in Orwellian fashion, I really do want to express a huge sentiment in a small little package. This site has re-sparked my interest in the sky after spending so much time with my nose on the ground in geology.

It's important to remember the ten exclamation marks that are bundled with the acronym.

So, LTP.


Ivanhoe said...

Amazing pics, as always :o)
Have you ever read Planet Interterra by Robin Cook? It's about underwater civilization. I think you may enjoy that.

Swubird said...


I agree with everything you said. And those are great pictures as usual. You're right, it's a mystery how that old sun just happened to set behind the utility pole. LOL.

As far as life elsewhere goes, I have always felt that the best proof of alien life is us. Either by hitching a ride on a comet or meteor, or through spontaneous generation, earthlings are living proof that life can evolved from the natural elements. It's out there and someday we'll find it, or it'll find us.

Until then...

Happy stargazing

Mizé said...

Very intresting perspective of our civilization´ development :)
If people were educated with this mindset, they could recognize how much there is to be done...
Good Tuesday!

Stephanie Barr said...

Beautiful photography, as usual. Whether it is a combination of your skills and the horrible (but picture inducing) cold, they never cease to amaze me.

I'm a firm believer that we're just scratching the surface of what we can know and learn. If I think about how far we've come from 100 years ago compared to the 100 before that, I have high hopes for us. All we have to do is grow up as well so we don't get our driver's license before we can reach the pedals.

I also think the speed of light can be conquered though I'm less sold on the Dyson sphere notion. Wouldn't it be better to use the energy we have wisely than always upping the ante? Think of the software for Windows - instead of building it smarter, they just glommed more and more stuff on without keeping it svelte because memory and processing power were so cheap.

I'd like to see us proceed a bit more thoughtfully.

Susanne49 said...

Hi Bob!

I'm now at the Space Coast FL, across from the Kennedy Space Center :) Can I do something for you down here?...LOL.. I'm not 100% sure if we will stay to the next launch of the Shuttle at the 12th of February, it's hard to get into a campground, every one is booked out...I'll try to get some shots, of course :)

Sue's Daily Photography

Bob Johnson said...

Hi MJ, it looks like a great post if I could read it,lol.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Stephen, you still have a chance, no one has found my previous post under the tag of sunsets, hint, hint,lol.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Genie, you are so right about how far we have to go yet. I haven't watched that show yet, will look it up, thanks.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Moonshadow, I took a look at your current posts and the perigee moon,great shots. I love the way you think, that is if we can think it, we can do it, so much to learn and accomplish yet.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Lol Brian and thanks. I don't go to Starbucks, too expensive and I don't really like their coffee, even though we have two at my mall. I'm a Timmies guy, Tim Hortons up here in Canada, I like to be able to master their supply,lol.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks, and thanks for dropping by John Ray.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Wow, thanks for the great comment Brian, love the LTP acronym, it has another meaning as well, fits perfect, I belong to the Lunar Transient Phenomenon organization, or LTP for short.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Ivanhoe, no I haven't read that book, I will check into it though, thanks.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks swubird, you are so right we are a perfect example how life can start on one little planet, with billions and billions of galaxies, and billions of planets in those galaxies, it has to have happened somewhere else, the odds are there.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Mize, and thanks for taking the time to drop by. So true, there is so much to be done, just have to get into the right mindset, so we could channel more funds into exploration beyond our Earthly boarders.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Stephanie, the pictures I take are all about being at the right place at the right time, sometimes at the right temperature,lol.

Excellent analogy with the drivers license. So glad you think like me about the light barrier, there are a lot of physicists that think it's not possible, but just as many that are open minded.

The Dyson Sphere is just an example, who knows what we will have come up with in 3,200 years, like you said just think how far we've come in just 100 years, and with things like the LHC, we may even find out where all the gravities leaking away to, or leaking from, Can you imagine mastering gravity, wow, the possibilities.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Wow, Susanne, take lots of pictures that has anything to do with space, the Shuttle launch would be an awesome image, if you guys are still around. Interesting about everything being booked, but it does figure with the launch coming up, very cool.\m/\m/

Roger said...

Here's to solar energy my friend!

Ruth said...

Bob, this was remarkable. Those shots, especially the last, the solar pillar, are just fantastic. And I read hungrily about the different types of civilizations.

Thank you!

Bob Johnson said...

So true Roger.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

No problem and thanks Ruth.\m/\m/

Anonymous said...

Awesome shots Bob, love the sunset behind the tower...but I have to can keep the -40 degree weather.

Interesting. Wasn't aware of the Dyson Sphere. However, all these hypothesis assume that we survive 1000's of years longer. There's strong evidence to the contrary just as their is in our continued existence. Personally I think some major natural cataclysmic disaster will either correct humanity or wipe us out to make room for another dominant species. Who knows? By then the only thing of ourselves that might still be around might be our skin flakes. How's that for optimism? LOL


GAGAY said...

dropping by!


Sherer said...

I totally left a great comment and then it didnt go through how frustrating.

Basics: if blackholes can break the light barrier why cant we!


Dorothy L said...

Hello.....I just absolutely love your blog:)
Keep up the fantastic work!


Bob Johnson said...

Thanks and lol JD, I have my doubts too about being around for the later classes of civilization, like the stock market we seem due for a correction as you put it.

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks for dropping by GAGAY.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Lol, too bad Jesse, hey anything is possible if we can think it, right?\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

thanks and thanks for dropping by Dorothy.\m/\m/

Eve's World said...

Whatever the matter but I like it most when I tackled this blog every time. Every article of yours is a masterpiece of new era including the latest info.

Bob Johnson said...

Wow, thanks so much for the nice comment Eve and thanks for dropping by.

Anna said...

Hey Bob by the time we hit Type III God will have to retire, lol. Excellent photos of the sun, surreal. You got it all down to the smallest meteorite, lol. Anna :)

Bob Johnson said...

Lol, thanks Anna, I'm sure God won't mind, boy does he need a break,lol.

kRiZ cPEc said...

We are type 0 only? That's a bit disappointing, I thought the developed world would be half way through the progress of 0 to 1 already.

Bhavesh Chhatbar said...

Very impressive!!

GAGAY said...

dropping by!


doi said...

cool pics you got there!

Bob Johnson said...

Hi kRiZ cPEc, we are between 0 and 1 right now, only a couple hundred more years to go to reach 1.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks and thanks for dropping by Bhavesh Chhatbar.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks for dropping by GAGAY.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks a lot doi.\m/\m/

Swubird said...


I believe it's possible to break the light barrier, but this whole idea of a Dyson sphere is a little out there. First of all, nothing absorbs energy like a planet, so why would we need the spheres? What we really need to do is develop a more efficient way to extract the sun's energy from the earth. What-a-ya think?

Happy stargazing.

Kristine said...


kml said...

Hi Bob - I can't believe how big that sun is! How clever to catch the power lines in it so perfectly!

Bob Johnson said...

Hey swubird, who knows,I think we will have to start thinking more outside the box to eventually capture the Sun's total energy, may be something totally different then the sphere.

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Kathy, the magic of cropping,lol.\m/\m/

Bob Johnson said...

Thanks Kristine, and thanks for dropping by,lol.

AngelBaby said...

Wow, I love the pictures, they are just awesome. So about the civilizations to come I don't know about all of that. Who thinks this up? I think we are a pretty cool civilization if I do say so myself. we are a great group after all, we came up with blogging. Now what can be better than that?

Love and Blessings,

Bob Johnson said...

Lol, AngelBaby, I like this civilization too, and blogging,lol.

Nature Nut /JJ Loch said...

Bob, what awesome images!!! How are those solar flares doing? They were suppose to peak. Was that last year or this one?

I hope I don't need any more sunspots treated this year. The sun finds me in the house. LOL

Hugs, JJ

Anna said...

Hey Bob just want to comment on this one once again - do you think it is coincidence that sun and hydro-posts tend to go hand in hand, as both are energy sources, lol. Anna :)

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